"El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First!" (lightningzone)
06/04/2020 at 14:15 • Filed to: None
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"El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First!" (lightningzone)
06/04/2020 at 14:15 • Filed to: None | 1
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Good thing they had Brexit and (almost, kinda, something)left that terrible EU.
farscythe - makin da cawfee!
> El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First!
06/04/2020 at 14:26 |
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welp.... thats free healthcare for ya...
get what you pay for
anyhoo... im going to find a rock to hide under before svend sees that...
ranwhenparked
> El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First!
06/04/2020 at 14:27 |
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For now... we’re only 5-6 months into the pandemic, just saying, we’ve all got aways to go before the virus burns itself out.
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El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First!
> farscythe - makin da cawfee!
06/04/2020 at 14:29 |
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The other EU countries also have free or almost free healthcare. They however, don’t have a Boris Orangutan Johnson in charge.
CalzoneGolem
> El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First!
06/04/2020 at 14:31 |
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Would be interesting to see the numbers as a % of the total population.
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farscythe - makin da cawfee!
> El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First!
06/04/2020 at 14:33 |
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cant speak for the others....but i wouldnt call healthcare free in the netherlands...
health insurance is mandatory here and in case of shitty health i still have to pay the first 375 euros of healthcare each year...
wich admittedly...is a fucking pittance compared to the bills americans can run up
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El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First!
> CalzoneGolem
06/04/2020 at 14:33 |
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447 million for the EU
67 million for the UK
Both 2020 estimates.
It's easy to do the math. But there's no point.
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ranwhenparked
> El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First!
06/04/2020 at 14:43 |
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Healthwise, their population is probably not all that much better off than the US, either. The UK is one of the most obese countries in Europe, although in terms of age, they’re actually somewhat on the younger side by European standards - just 18% over age 65, which is a lot lower than, say, Sweden, Germany, or Finland, and they’ve been doing pretty well. Obesity does bring a lot of comorbidities though, decreased lung capacity, high blood pressure, greater likelihood of diabetes, etc. Its why, as bad as its been in the US, I really expected us to be hit even worse than we have.
fintail
> farscythe - makin da cawfee!
06/04/2020 at 14:49 |
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I was gonna say, that 375 Euro is barely more than my monthly premium on a relatively basic plan, before cringe-inducing deductibles and gawd knows else that isn’t covered. And I am lucky compa red to many.
Svend
> El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First!
06/04/2020 at 14:59 |
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I’m didn’t even want to dignify this idiotic statement on Brexit and the virus.
So I’m not.
Take care, have a good evening.
cluelessk
> farscythe - makin da cawfee!
06/04/2020 at 15:04 |
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It’s working pretty good in Canada...
Two provincial governments made some really poor choices. 90% of cases in Canada happened in them. Mostly in nursing homes that aren’t even part of our healthcare system.
As a C ountry of just over 30 million we’ve had 7,495 deaths total.
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farscythe - makin da cawfee!
> fintail
06/04/2020 at 15:08 |
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i pay 250 a month.....for me and the missus
i really shouldnt bitch
thats all inclusive too....everything but the free massage....
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farscythe - makin da cawfee!
> cluelessk
06/04/2020 at 15:10 |
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we really havent had rona here....
we only count the tested cases
so weve just not been testing people
rona solved....we ignored it so hard it went away
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fintail
> farscythe - makin da cawfee!
06/04/2020 at 15:10 |
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I suspect if I broke a bone or something, I’d be out 10K, and still paying that monthly premium, and whatever percentage isn’t covered.
We’re broken.
DipodomysDeserti
> CalzoneGolem
06/04/2020 at 15:12 |
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About 60 deaths per 100k, which is the highest in the world. It’s about double the rate in the US. Not sure what leaving the EU has to do with it, as France leads the world in mortality rate with a staggering 25%. Not sure what they’re doing over there. I recently found out Belgium like to count deaths in nursing homes all screwy, so maybe France does a similar thing.
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality
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DipodomysDeserti
> El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First!
06/04/2020 at 15:14 |
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Italy has about the same deaths per 100k people as the UK, and France has by far the highest mortality rate in the world. Politicizing disease is generally a bad idea.
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality
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farscythe - makin da cawfee!
> fintail
06/04/2020 at 15:14 |
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tbh....ive never actually gone over my 375 yet
did you know an xray is $35?
i figured it would be pricier than that
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fintail
> farscythe - makin da cawfee!
06/04/2020 at 15:15 |
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Would probably cost me 10x as much. Middlemen need their take, keeps the economy moving or something.
facw
> farscythe - makin da cawfee!
06/04/2020 at 15:21 |
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I just got a bill for $4500 because my in-network surgery center and in-network surgeon used an out-of-network anesthesiologist...
Tareim - V8 powered
> CalzoneGolem
06/04/2020 at 15:22 |
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A population density % would be a more telling story
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farscythe - makin da cawfee!
> facw
06/04/2020 at 15:22 |
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outch
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facw
> farscythe - makin da cawfee!
06/04/2020 at 15:24 |
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Yep, a little painful... Maybe I should see if I can hire an anesthesiologist...
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El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First!
> Svend
06/04/2020 at 15:31 |
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S omebody got burned. A little too easy?
Don’t worry, I’m not implying the death toll is so high because of the Brexit, I only love to take jabs at the Brexit for being such a stupid idea. It helps the case that the man running the country during the pandemic is the more fluffy side of Brexit Bozos pair.
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El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First!
> farscythe - makin da cawfee!
06/04/2020 at 15:33 |
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Free happy ending massage should be included!
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farscythe - makin da cawfee!
> El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First!
06/04/2020 at 15:36 |
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i agree!
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farscythe - makin da cawfee!
> El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First!
06/04/2020 at 15:44 |
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man....just when i think you couldnt find a more punchable face than bojos you go and show me farage.......
Spanfeller is a twat
> El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First!
06/04/2020 at 15:48 |
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those are rookie numbers
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El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First!
> Spanfeller is a twat
06/04/2020 at 15:56 |
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I know it’s not the best idea to mix politics and medicine but it can’t be a coincidence that the countries with the highest number of cases have populist assholes in charge.
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Svend
> El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First!
06/04/2020 at 16:12 |
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Don’t worry, I’m not implying the death toll is so high because of the Brexit,
I don’t know where I’d get the notion otherwise, lets recap.
!!! UNKNOWN CONTENT TYPE !!!
Good thing they had Brexit and left that terrible EU.
So that’s
U.K. deaths are higher than the rest of the E.U.
A graph showing the above statement in figures.
and then
Reference to ‘Brexit’ and ‘that terrible E.U.’.
Yep nothing at all there, nope, nothing,
Somebody got burned. A little too easy?
Oh I wonder why, oh ye’, the other month my step-father fell over, the doctor put him on some pain meds, they reacted with other meds he was taking and he was virtually comatose. Took me and two paramedics to get him down the stairs, I couldn’t go into the hospital with him as the hospital wasn’t allowing anyone that didn’t need treatment in. He go tested for covid and was positive (thankfully, asymptomatic), three days before his discharge he sounds exhausted, he didn’t sleep because a guy opposite died of covid at 2-3am and it kept my step-father awake anxious of what is going on around him.
Then last Friday.
https://oppositelock.kinja.com/thatll-teach-me-for-booking-time-off-work-to-rest-1843766103
My step-father’s gall stones flair up again, again, I can’t stay with him and either have to wait in reception or go home, I chose the latter.
I get a call today to say he’s being discharged tomorrow morning.
And when he comes home he will be on a ‘pee bag’ and I’ll have to empty it and keep a record of how much is coming out, i’m on holiday at present but will be back at work the weekend after next on nights for four nights a week, what do I do with him while I’m at work for ten hours each of those nights? His gall stone operation was pushed back because all non essential operations had to make space for the virus and he’d of had it by now, but we have an operation slot, in six weeks time.
So does it boil my piss when someone makes an ignorant jab at Brexit and the virus and the Prime Minister because he thinks Brexit is a stupid idea (ye’, you and me both, because it is stupid, but what’s done is done, we can either bang on about the stupidity of it (it was a democratic vote, we are a democratic country, so the vote stands) or try and achieve the best outcome of it all , and then says he isn’t, you bet your arse it does.
Jb boin
> farscythe - makin da cawfee!
06/04/2020 at 16:18 |
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You forgot one !
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El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First!
> Svend
06/04/2020 at 16:39 |
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Well, I guess it sucks to be you right now. But things can’t really get much worse for y ou . So that means they will get better soon. Hopefully.
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Jb boin
> DipodomysDeserti
06/04/2020 at 16:39 |
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The mortality rate depends on the testing, in France the policy was to stay isolated and only get tested if required which wasn’t the policy on most countries ; not to mention that we didn’t have enough tests at first (and not to mention that the first case in France might have been in November or December so it was already rampant when testings st arted ) .
The death/100k is better to compare the outcome of various countries, even if every countries are accounting those differently.
What is also important is the “curve” of deaths and not just the current “snapshot” , you can see that some countries are still not at the top of the curve like the Brazil while most European countries have decreased sensibly (more than 10 times less daily deaths than at t he peak) .
BigBlock440
> DipodomysDeserti
06/04/2020 at 17:00 |
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Is Belgium no longer a part of the world? They’re over 80 deaths/100k.
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DipodomysDeserti
> Jb boin
06/04/2020 at 17:01 |
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I think the US lags far behind the world in testing, and our mortality rate is still only around 5%. Maybe we have much better testing than we’re being led to believe.
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DipodomysDeserti
> BigBlock440
06/04/2020 at 17:04 |
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I think they removed them from the data set because of their screwy way of counting deaths. They’re counting people in nursing homes who die and are suspected of having Covid, without any testing, as having died of Covid. Too much high ABV beer. Unless the virus is completely out of control there, it seems this way of assuming cause of death skews the numbers quite a bit.
Cé hé sin
> Spanfeller is a twat
06/04/2020 at 17:17 |
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Brazil was only getting started then.
They’re in four figures per day now.
Edgyhal94
> Svend
06/04/2020 at 17:39 |
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Thanks for that response, I do love people connecting Brexit (a thing I’m so bloody happy I’d not heard in a while... pretending it didn’t happen makes me feel less cold inside) to something that literally has nothing to do with the damn thing in such a comprehensive way
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Svend
> Edgyhal94
06/04/2020 at 18:10 |
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It’s not just the no connecti on thing, it’s that people think it’s happened. Were merely in the tran sition and negotiation stage.
That the world is going to end, that the U.K. will cease to exist, wiped from the ann als of history, never to be mentioned again.
They always have these notions that have no basis of fact in any regard whatsoever.
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Spanfeller is a twat
> Cé hé sin
06/04/2020 at 19:56 |
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In that way worldometers is not every helpful
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BigBlock440
> DipodomysDeserti
06/05/2020 at 08:51 |
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Aren’t they doing that in New York and several other states here too though? They don’t have to be tested, but if it’s suspected it gets counted as covid. I don’t know exactly what Belgium’s doing, but I’d think it’d still be comparable.
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DipodomysDeserti
> BigBlock440
06/05/2020 at 10:20 |
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As far as I know, they’re still testing people here before counting them as a covid death. Comorbidity determinations still seem to be a bit screwy.
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BigBlock440
> DipodomysDeserti
06/05/2020 at 11:45 |
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Looks like early April NY started counti ng that way:
Though it also looks like NJ used to do that, but stopped a few weeks ago:
Looks like Michigan counts suspected now, around the same time NJ stopped counting suspected.
Couldn’t find anything on Massachusetts.
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Considering those 4
states account for over half of the deaths
, I don’t know why Belgium’s numbers would be any less reliable than ours. I’m trying hard to avoid thinking someone’s pushing an agenda for some reason, but it’s odd that Belgium just dropped off then the news articles started claiming “UK is highest”. I really want to think there’s a legitimate reason for it, but I haven’t dug enough to find one, and there’s not one readily apparent. And the methods between countries themselves are probably all different enough that it’s not a perfect comparison between any countries anyway.
/citation links were just the first ones found on google that definitiv
ely
stated if they counted suspected or not as a covid death